Ok so the libs on here are tired of hearing us so called neo con's "whine" But as of yet have we heard why the Lib's are doing what they are doing? What is their ultimate goal? I mean, all we heard for years is how the Rep's over spent on everything and we were 400+billion over budget. It took How many Presidents to get to that point? Lets see.... Nixion was the only president to ever truly balance the budget. Look it up. So lets start there. Now in less than one year of BOB Presidency we are now in the TRILLIONS? So I still dont see what we are gaining by the motives put forth by the current administration. Its not ballancing the budget as they stated before. Its not lowering taxes as stated before. Its not putting Amercains to work, as stated before. Its not to help out the Automotive industry, as stated before. Its not to get us out of war, as stated before. Its not to help small businness, as stated before. So far all that this administration promised to do has not been addressed, except; land use bills, religion restrictions, animal rights, and attacks on businness. So what is their end goal? What is the motive behind the dirrection they are going?? Just a question for our Lib's.

OK,here's what you need to do. Grab a couple cold ones and turn on the Glen Beck show. When your blood starts to really boil,grab your gun and hop in to your truck. Turn the radio dial to Rush Limbaugh and drive to the town hall meeting on health insurance reform.Pick a fight with the lady with the liberal sign that lost her job and her health insurance,then go inside and scream at the top of your lungs for the next hour at your elected official. I promise,you will feel better !
I am tired of trying to reason with idiots,as stated before.

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Originally posted by Alex:
OK,here's what you need to do. Grab a couple cold ones and turn on the Glen Beck show. When your blood starts to really boil,grab your gun and hop in to your truck. Turn the radio dial to Rush Limbaugh and drive to the town hall meeting on health insurance reform.Pick a fight with the lady with the liberal sign that lost her job and her health insurance,then go inside and scream at the top of your lungs for the next hour at your elected official. I promise,you will feel better !
I am tired of trying to reason with idiots,as stated before.

Day in and day out it must be really difficult arguing with the voices in your head!!! LOL!

I've never seen or heard one "reasonable" post by squid boy....

Squidie...your a moron...plain and simple. you cant even answer an honest question.... you have never given a answer at any time just called people names.... are you that stupid that you cant form inteligent answers. It is a question YOU should be asking YOUR party. What is their goal. What is the reasoning behind their motives? Do some research behind who is doing what in your party and keep your third grade insults for your third grade buddies.

I'll take a shot. The first motive is to stabilize the economy. In my opinion, this is happening. Unemployment is not going up, although it is still too high. the stock market is on it's way to rebounding, housing starts are inching their way up. This is going to be a long slow process but I think it is beginning. The other motive, which was a large portion of the cash for clunkers, is environmental stewardship. The cash for clunkers was another roundabout bailout for the auto industry but it also eliminated thousands of old school polluting vehicles. By removing more and more gas guzzling vehicles we are helping the environment and slowing dependency on oil. Now I'm not so naive to believe it is a big dent but big dents start as small ones. Companies must make maoney before they can invest in R&D and this helped in a small way. While I know the cons will nit pick this to the n'th degree, I honestly think things are working and we are better now than when this whole economic mess began. It was a lot of money and a huge burden to future generations but the alternative was much much worse.

All you have to do is look at Obama and the people he associated with to see the motives of the current administration.

The thing that makes all of it dangerous is the fact he has all of the "useful-idiots" in congress to back up anything he does. If it wasn't for these town hall meetings, you would have pure unadulterated fascism forced down your throat.

And remember, Bush was the fascist......

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The only reason alex doesnt post anything that means a damn thing is because he knows hell just get proven wrong as always.

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Originally posted by Paul 061:
I'll take a shot. The first motive is to stabilize the economy. In my opinion, this is happening. Unemployment is not going up, although it is still too high. the stock market is on it's way to rebounding, housing starts are inching their way up. This is going to be a long slow process but I think it is beginning. The other motive, which was a large portion of the cash for clunkers, is environmental stewardship. The cash for clunkers was another roundabout bailout for the auto industry but it also eliminated thousands of old school polluting vehicles. By removing more and more gas guzzling vehicles we are helping the environment and slowing dependency on oil. Now I'm not so naive to believe it is a big dent but big dents start as small ones. Companies must make maoney before they can invest in R&D and this helped in a small way. While I know the cons will nit pick this to the n'th degree, I honestly think things are working and we are better now than when this whole economic mess began. It was a lot of money and a huge burden to future generations but the alternative was much much worse.

Paul, with all do respect, how can you honestly believe all of this spending is stabilzing the economy? Unemployment is going up, each month hundreds of thousands of jobs are being lost, the Percentages you see dont reflect the actual number of people out of work, just the people on unemployment benefits. We havent even hit the bottom of the recession yet, the economy is still shrinking. The stock market is being played by people just inflating the market. Retailers are going out of business right and left. There is a looming commercial real estate crisis. The cash for clunkers did nothing for the environment, the amount of waste that is going to be put into scrap, plus the amount of energy it takes to build a new car, will be more pollutant to the environment than if you were to drive that car for another 20 years. Do to the amount of money we are borrowing, the percentage of interest we are paying is going up, which is going to cost us more money.

You should really read more about what is going on, things are no better than they were at the end of last year, in fact they are most likely worse.

What they need to do to save the economy is cut the corporate tax to 0%, inact a flat tax type system where every citizen pays the same amount of tax. Thats as equal as it gets. Make it very easy for people to go back to school (ie. payment plans, student loans, ect.) Make it very easy to start a small business. And most important, Cut Cut CUT CUT CUT government. All government is is a leech on every american that works.

I think it would be a great idea to make people write the check to the government for their taxes, that way people would care what the government spends the money on. Most people dont care cause everything is done for them and as long as they get a check, its fine with them.

Montana just recorded its worse Unemployment rate in 10 years last month. The economy is fluttering so to speak. Wait till the winter hits. Unemployment rates will be double digits nation wide. The northern states will really feel the brunt of this since the construction season typically slows anyway.

I want to be positive, but the way O'dog is smoking through money right now, leaves me to believe he is in a panic to try and fix our economy overnight...not gonna happen.

Clunkers was/is a flop (ask my buddy who hasn't seen a red penny from selling only 4 cars during the great cash for clunkers show), Health care reform is even worse than clunkers, I can't hardly wait to see what is next...

I don't really care what side of the fence you sit on, this is about mine and your families future, think about what is happening now and what the repercussions are going to be. I mean really think about it, not just uhhhhhhmmmmm, okay. Take a moment and think about the trillions of dollars that are being spent right now and the effects on our economy and future...

I'm with Paul on this one well almost. I never ever agreed to sign up nor pay for anybody's car ever cept my own. $Cash for Clunkers is a money transfer pain and simple. Ok sure it'll employee a few thousand Detroit peeps and then there's the trickle-downs and then the after trickle downs. But I never agreed to subsidize peeps purchasing gas guzzlers (through home equity loans, read construction, read Fed) and now I who didn't get a freebe $handout under the Greenspan Fed gotta hand'em thosee very same "normal peeps" my depression-era cash cause they wanna help us ALL out by maybe hook'en up with a Toyota Corolla or other such stuff. It aint right what's going on it aint right.

Universal health care is gonna save this country by $ga-billions of dollars but only when each and every one takes responsibility for own health.

This is a MX board where I want to believe we make our own best efforts to put ourselves in da best position possible to win - regardless of weather it's a MX race or Good Health. I think we can all agree that when it comes to peddling we can't do enough of it.

So Lib or Conserv it makes no diff to me so long as I beat you, or you me, into the first turn or checkered flag. I just wanna ride and beter yet be faster than a "you" who ever you are.

Liberal or Conservative who cares bout extremes, I wanna hear from the apparent, and only sane group left (or right), the Independents about what's going on in our hood.

Tone Show, I like Squidleys posts, anything that makes you laugh is generally pretty good. Just like Ted's posts, many are among my all time favorites on this board.

K-Dub, I too agree generally with Paul. He is an intelligent man, and anyone who knows him knows this too.

Mark, you are on fire dude! Is this the same guy that I parked next to over in Spokane??? LOL!

Justin, (disclaimer, I am not arguing with you in any way, shape, or form. In fact I am going to take an entirely different approach and see if I can't get you to answer something, as opposed to defaulting to shooting holes in anything anyone says {classic republican approach you know.... })

What, in your opinion, would McCain have done differently, and how would it have benefitted us? Remember, we are the government, and the government is us. I don't want to know what he wouldn't do, thats just another target practice at Barack's policy. How would he have saved the world?

And Ted, you are welcome to prognosticate on this also.

I'm all ears.

PS, anyone riding this weekend? (I'm bound and determined to get this sucker back to moto...)

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Originally posted by Paul 061:
The other motive, which was a large portion of the cash for clunkers, is environmental stewardship. The cash for clunkers was another roundabout bailout for the auto industry but it also eliminated thousands of old school polluting vehicles. By removing more and more gas guzzling vehicles we are helping the environment and slowing dependency on oil. Now I'm not so naive to believe it is a big dent but big dents start as small ones. Companies must make maoney before they can invest in R&D and this helped in a small way. While I know the cons will nit pick this to the n'th degree, I honestly think things are working and we are better now than when this whole economic mess began. It was a lot of money and a huge burden to future generations but the alternative was much much worse.

Paul, I am with you on the first part (except for the current health care thing (if you agree with it)) but did you know that you could trade in your (my) 02 Jetta wagon for a lambo, h3 or F250 for $2500 0r 3500 (up to $4500) of OUR tax dollars??? I thought the cash for clunkers was for getting piles off the road... but not so much. I know this first hand from a very reputable used car sales men (i know that sounds cheezy ) who saw $10k explorer, camry, accords getting crushed for no reason... heck he's seeing some of the hardest times in years because he can't get those cars to put on the lot.

long story short, i orginally thought the C4C deal was good till i learned more... we just put a bunch of people who probably did not need a NEW car into them with more BORROWED money...

now on to appliances!!!

(by the way... good post )

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Dude, they tricked people into spending money (whether they had it or not!!!) It worked with most folks in the housing boom bubble didn't it??? The question is not whether we actually have a strong(or weak) economy, but rather if we THINK we have a strong (or weak) economy!

WELCOME TO THE MATRIX MOTHER TRUCKERS!!!!

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Originally posted by Workman #21:

Universal health care is gonna save this country by $ga-billions of dollars but only when each and every one takes responsibility for own health.

This is a MX board where I want to believe we make our own best efforts to put ourselves in da best position possible to win - regardless of weather it's a MX race or Good Health. I think we can all agree that when it comes to peddling we can't do enough of it.

So Lib or Conserv it makes no diff to me so long as I beat you, or you me, into the first turn or checkered flag. I just wanna ride and beter yet be faster than a "you" who ever you are.

Liberal or Conservative who cares bout extremes, I wanna hear from the apparent, and only sane group left (or right), the Independents about what's going on in our hood.

True That Workman!!! Agreed, especailly about people having to take care of themselves. If all able bodied 'residents' paid into the system and took responsibilities to take care of them selves (or pay a higher prem). then I am SURE we would save "ga-billions"... but what is the likely hood of that happening anytime soon... to me "Reform" means a few necessary steps to control the costs and protect the people... not a total overhaul and take over.

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Originally posted by Aaron:
Tone Show, I like Squidleys posts, anything that makes you laugh is generally pretty good. Just like Ted's posts, many are among my all time favorites on this board.
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actually... i got upset (can't help it, used to be a red head but the forehead keeps growing) then I laghed...

I just can't imagine that he is real... I am starting to think maybe it's ted fooling us all but you probably know otherwise...

I actually don't know who he is. He has an amazing ability to push everyone's red button though.

I like his posts because he makes me laugh.

You know that the cash for clunkers is and has really no meaning. Very few people took advanage of the program..... but just for argument sake, what was it to really do? If it was to get old gas burners off the road, it didnt even come close and why would you even spend tax payers money on this program when most of these types of cars will be gone through attrition within the next 5 years. I'm just trying to understand why this adminidstration feels that just throwing money at things will fix it? Every president before BOB was thrown under the bus when they tried to spend tax payers money.

Mccain wouldnt have done much different, accept you wouldnt have this push for socialized medicine, and mccain would have done anything he could to keep spending to a minimum, thats just the way he works.

With that being said, I never was for McCain, still am not, and never will be. This country needs an outsider for president.

From what I have been involved in plus what I have been told by people that have invested heavly and reading about whats next which is already happening now is when the very over inflated commercial real estate market folds its going to be alot bigger hit than the housing bubble burst! There will not be any bail out options available and then we will finaly see where we stand. Its scary to think about and I cant imagine how it can be corrected.
Bottom line this generation is going to have to finaly take the hit and suffer through it now to make it right for the future of our kids or somehow cook the books and start over: AKA everybody going banko..

Health care will become a luxury item that you work hard for and buy or die trying as it should be for most of us...

Using MX riders for one example: I would think overall we are an above average healthy group of people who work hard to beable to afford to ride the sport of MX. We take risk that most people wouldnt even consider and it becomes away of life that is normal to us. I would have to think we get the most bang for our buck for what we pay in medical insurance. I know I am close to $130k and counting this year with five surgerys nine days in the hospital plus therapy. As an oldtimer 43 yr old ameture racer I am rehabing and training my ass off for the PRO round one race at horn so I can beat Paul the liberal at my home track.. its ridiculous really? I should probaly be paying alittle more for my med insurance than the guy that golfs?

I could probaly somehow find away to pay more for med insurance for my family by cutting back on the luxury items we take for granted to help pay for people who cannot like the elderly folks who cant and suffer or the physicaly and mentaly challenged- and most importantly familys with sick children - the government should beable to find away to cover the cost for the veterans with the taxes we pay.. But even these people unfortantly might have to also suffer through these uncertain times?

We as a nation are to blame for this- reps- Dems- Indp- hippies- everybody! Not DEMANDING accountability to who WE have voted into office!
ya we bitch alot but overall most of us (not all) are like ME! Our biggest concerns are like where do we vacation this year? Do these 22's look right on these 37's? This fabtech lift doesnt make my truck ride level? My bikes suspension feels harsh? If I change the prop on the bass boat it should run 90+mph? Greed is taking us down its what we have learned and its how we roll...

An abrupt uncomfortable Change would hurt alot but do us all good for the future generations to come. It appears to me as a nation whe are rollin on credit in more ways than one and the party is coming to an end. I myself do not have much personal debt so I can use my credit to speculate deals but at times I am in deep way over my head and if it does not pan out I am screwed but thats what I chose to do its all I know. We are all in the same boat in one form or another no matter what business your in even if you think you have a secure job. The secure job guy is just bankin on the people runnin the show that they are not making bad decisions? or how about the 401k? CDs? or on the side rental house or the empty lot you bought next door? Gold? Bonds? Stocks? Time share? Whatever it is? All most Everybody has hung it out to some degree to get ahead. Having a secure job feels safe even more so with union backing but that sounds like even a bigger risk somebody else managing your risk.. False sense of security? Although at times that feeling would be nice!!!

This country was built on speculative risk takers and it has worked well but little by little greed, laziness and with everybody owes me something attitude is taking us down... I would think its going to have to get
real bumpy before it can ever smooth itself out???

We have all probaly have cut back to some degree on spending- for me all I have done is cut out the big vacation and riding my 08 for another year not getting the 10! Thats my big lazy greedy sacrifice plan to survive this very unstable market and if I go down I have no one to blame but myself! I had plenty of warning..


Ammo- Weapons- Fuel- Water- Food- Chainsaw- might become handy at some point- Hopefully I am completely wrong!!!

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What is the motive behind the new administration is the question. I agree TRA that greed and laziness or just complacency has settled in through the years. But what direction is this administration moving toward? Is it equality for every American? Or do they belive that the whole world can be one? Did at anytime in your life borrow your way out of debt. If so how did you pay it back? Im realy trying to see how this administration is planning to rob Peter to pay Paul (no pun intended Paul ) when Peter is broke too. As we all know this country runs on our resources, and precious metals, gems, and realestate. Our resources are being capped, no oil drilling, no more mnufacturing, ECT. Minning is all but shut down, and the realestate market is being choked with over building the economy. If a country cant bring in money from it resources, where will the money come from? If the country invests, lets just say, in foreign oil. And your country is the biggest buyer of oil, how will you be able to make money on your investment without something else to generate the capital to cover the investment? If you dont have a equal trade your investment account in oil dwindels to the negitive and your country lives on credit. Now add that to a unballanced world trade market in which you bring in more than you ship out and your credit goes debunked. What do you do when the rest of the world calls in their markers and you owe them Trillions?