Has any one read the new law which takes effect 2/10/1009. This limits parents from buying bikes for children 13 and under. This is due to the new lead law. My dealer said they will have ot check ID of kids buying parts if they are under 13.

Wow how did this get under our radar.

My dealer said they won't be able to sell a 85 to a parent if their child 12 or under.

Simple solution...

Tell them they're buying the 85 for themselves.

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Originally posted by Osaka #627:
Simple solution...

Tell them they're buying the 85 for themselves.

Thats exactly what will happen. Think about Darian Sanaye (spelling?). He just moved up to 85's recently. I dont think one that the dealerships will be able to or even really try to enforce this and two I dont see the government being able to police this very well either. Pretty soon the state will just take our children from us and try to raise them them selves since they dont think we should be responsible for our own kids.

And they can still sell a street bike that will go 180 mph right off the showroom floor to anyone.
They dont even need an endorsment!

The laws are getting dummer by the day

According to the letter Honda sent to it's american dealers, you nor anyone else will be able to purchase these bikes.

Honda Advises Dealers of Pending Sales Ban on Children's Motorcycles Containing Lead
By Dirck Edge

http://www.motorcycledaily.com...nuary09_salesban.htm

According to a letter sent to Honda dealers dated January 23, 2009, which you can read below, a Congressional Act passed in response to the sale of unsafe, lead-tainted toys last year, could result in a ban on sale of certain Honda motorcycles and ATVs sized for youngsters after February 10, 2009. The language of the Congressional Act is broad enough to encompass motorcycles containing lead in "substrate material" over 600ppm, which would impact certain motorcycles and ATVs even though paint on those models contains lead within acceptable limits. The affected Honda motorcycles and ATVs are the TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F and CRF 80F, but the ban would seemingly encompass any motorcycle or ATV "designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger." Honda hopes to convince Congress to exempt alloyed parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Congressional Act, but time is running out.

January 23, 2009

Dear Honda Dealer:

On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.

The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.

Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)
Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.

Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm
Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.

Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.

Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.

What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.

As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act.


With best regards,

American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

Ray Blank
Senior Vice-President
Motorcycle Division

So let me get this straight. Our government is protecting our kids from eating pieces of motorcycles that have lead in it.
Boy I'm sure glad our socialist government is taking care of us.

I dont even know what to say. I am so frickin angry about this, it is absolutely outrageous! Just one more thing that the government is trying to do to shut us down. VERY DISSAPOINTING!

It is stupid; but unfortunatley lead poisoning not only comes from consumption. Contact allows for contamination within the blood stream as well. Although the quicker way is to start gnawing on the frame of your shiny new motoscoot. Come on havn't you seen the new trend at the starting gate and in the pits. It's a new fad sweeping the race scene.

From what I have heard, ALL dealers have to take the 85cc and under bikes off the showroom floor as of the 10th, and cannot sell any parts for such bikes as well. This pretty much means that kids 12 and under will not be riding/racing, unless these things get overturned someway. This little event will make a huge impact on our sport, if things don't get changed. They are also trying to go a step further, and make it hard for promoters to let these kids race, as they may fine them for condoning, as they are making it illegal to buy or sell these bikes, even private sales!

Look at this proposed law do you see any where it addresses anyone under 18 ?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinf...mmary.aspx?bill=5586
If you can slowly get rid of new riders what happens to your sport?

OEM's just need to put a little sticker on all the bikes that state "not for intended use of kids 12 years and younger". The parents will be buying the bikes and parts, so I really don't see them taking everything off the showroom floors. What happens when a 12 year old wants an 85 because he is only 80lbs soaking wet and can't ride a bigger bike? So the government thinks its ok to risk the life of my kid who can't reach on a smaller bike to put him on a 125 or a 250F. Yeah right! LAW SUIT!!!! The bikes and parts will still need to be made available if they are setting an age limit only.