Gary @ock??? What did he ever do for this state???? OOOOh ya I forgot... he was the first Asian American elected as gov.. Yaa Washington! Other than that I think his wife was a hottie

locke for 3rd pick... Must be difficult to find someone not corrupt or someone they could push around these days...

I wonder how Lockes recent dealings with the chinese will affect his eligability...

I think that was the reason they picked him...

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I think that was the reason they picked him...

I think Locke is probably a stand up guy (in politician standards) but I am just curious to see if his dealings and the deals done by the company who employed him were all on the straight...

BO is running out of free passes for the shady...

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BO is running out of free passes for the shady...

Oh yea Its been so long sence a Demo was in charge I forgot about that free shady pass thing

Stimulus pakage
Catching Wild Pigs

A chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class.
One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back.
He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke.
"You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn.
When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.
When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.
They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side.
The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn.
They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America .
The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free
corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP),
welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.
One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America ,
you might want to send this on to your friends.
If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!
Keep your eyes on the newly elected politicians who are about to slam the gate on America .

"A GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT, IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE"
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Here Here.. I going to send a copy of this to Maria, better Can_Damn_Well, I cant wait to get another form letter on this one

well nothing happeneing in marysville according to that, not much more in everett

Oh man, I thought for sure the Seattle Arts Center would get some of the millions of dollars earmarked for the arts, too bad, maybe next stimulus?

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Oh man, I thought for sure the Seattle Arts Center would get some of the millions of dollars earmarked for the arts, too bad, maybe next stimulus?

LOL!!!! (the scary part is... there will be more)

Mrs. GreGore is from Auburn .who could tell. The east side is being punished for supporting Rossi

Gov. Gary Loch did very little as Govenor. What he did accomplish was to strengthen Growth Management. This restricted our propert rights further. He was in office during the period Boeing moved it's headquarters to another State. Boeing is the largest single exporter in the United States. And he did make it easier for China to Import more product here. Aaron I suppose importing more of our jobs to China is a good thing as long as it was a Liberal who accomplished it.

Gary Lock ran the socialist state of Washington.
Can anyone tell me how that makes him a good pick for Sec of Commerce. Besides being the only democrat that didn't steal from Americans, as far as we know now.

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Originally posted by Vern#119:
The east side is being punished for supporting Rossi

Isn't that the truth, now the dems want to add some new taxes to us farmers over here.

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Originally posted by ted:
Gov. Gary Loch did very little as Govenor. What he did accomplish was to strengthen Growth Management. This restricted our propert rights further. He was in office during the period Boeing moved it's headquarters to another State. Boeing is the largest single exporter in the United States. And he did make it easier for China to Import more product here. Aaron I suppose importing more of our jobs to China is a good thing as long as it was a Liberal who accomplished it.

Gary Lock ran the socialist state of Washington.
Can anyone tell me how that makes him a good pick for Sec of Commerce. Besides being the only democrat that didn't steal from Americans, as far as we know now.

Sorry Ted Boeing didn't move their headquarters for that reason. And Washington made many many concessions to keep Boeing and the 787 here. There have also been many concessions by Washington to keep the 737 here as well. I will give you the fact that we do import too much from China. Although, how do we stop it? Lower wages? Protectionism? Change our environmental standards? Tax structure isn't the main reason Chinese imports are cheap. Until we stop paying CEO's and upper executives more than they are worth and until we start re-investing in technology instead of corporate coffers China will be a player.

Not once in this thread have I stated my opinion of Gary Locke. Again Ted, you broad brush me based on my political views.

I lean left in an attempt to (I think this might be the 1000th time I've said this) even the odds for the working man. I am not a tree hugger, gay rights activist, gun control advocate, and especially not a right wing commie fascist. Of course, since I don't agree with the corporatocracy that is USA, I get lumped in with everything you are against.

Paul is spot on, as he usually is.

I'm guessing you're feeling better too Ted, as you seem to be back to your good ole self. The pain killers must be done, now your ornery as ever.

By the way, I must say that I busted my a$$ (you know I am a working man) to get my boy and his bike, our trailer, and all our stuff ready for your race in Richland, and you don't even show. I was bummed for sure. You could have joined Paul and I for a cold Budweiser and some good conversation.

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Originally posted by Aaron:
...I lean left in an attempt to (I think this might be the 1000th time I've said this) even the odds for the working man... ...Of course, since I don't agree with the corporatocracy that is USA, I get lumped in with everything you are against.

Paul is spot on, as he usually is.

To even the odds???

Nobody is forcing anybody to work for a "huge evil corporation".

What your saying is that the investors, who actually have a REAL stake in the corporation shouldnt have any say in what direction the corporation takes? That it should be all up to the employees?

How about we just get rid of all the CEO's and structure, lets just leave the employee's to run the corporation... oh yeah lets take the investor money out of it as well....

The corporation would fall apart in an instant.
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Im so tired of people complaining about executive salaries when they have NO effect on anybody except stockholders. When you have enough stock in a corporation to determine what a CEO makes, then you can have a say, until then you have no business telling a corporation what they can pay their executives and you shouldnt worry about it, it doesnt matter.

The best thing the "Working Man" can do is work harder, smarter, and save, and then someday he can have some idiot getting in his business and telling him what he has to do....

Gonna have to disagree with you a bit here on a couple issues.

While nobody is forcing anyone to work for a "huge evil corporation", some people just do. How is it right for the CEO's who are running these companies in to the ground, causing the "working man" to be laid off and then taking a government loan from the working man's future tax dollars and paying huge bonuses to the CEO's who ran the company in the ground to begin with? To me, that is absolutely ridiculous.

I work for a base salary plus commisions, the better the company does, the better I do money wise. Using the current examples that have occured recently, I should be able to do my job absolutely terribly, come so close to bankrupting my company, get a goverment bailout loan and continue to recieve bonuses? Makes no sense.

While the investors do have a stake in the corporations, they did not always. At one time, that corporation was a successful small business, that was run properly and obviously profitable. In my opinion, the big corporations are run poorly and are a complete joke at this point. Unfortuneately, our world economy is all wrapped up in these large corporations so we cannot just let them fail and go bankrupt, the government has us in a catch 22, damned if we do, damned if we don't.

As far as investor money is concerned, small businesses should be able to sustain themselves with out it. If a business cannot sustain itself with out continually borrowing money, it is not viable and should be terminated.

Our congress wrote it in that bonuses like these (contractual) were ok and they knew that this was coming well in advance (currently being reported). They just didn't change there tune until it hit the mainstream... pretty ridiculous.

Do I think these bonuses are absurd... yes!!!.... but I find it even more appalling that these slimy politicians with the same dirt if not more on there backs are standing up for the "people" now(a lot of HIGH ups received a lot of "campaign" contributions from AIG and others). These A-holes are vowing to get it back... retroactively changing laws and singling out groups & people... first they've chosen which businesses can fail ('enemies') or not fail (friends)... now they are singling out people and putting a 90% tax on them... its not there fault. It could have been so easily written into the terms of the bailout (as we were told it would) that this stuff would not fly but someone (C. Dodd) wrote it differently...

I commend the folks/$hitty execs at AIG who have voluntarily given back 50-100% of their bonuses... but the gov has no right to just take it from them... (or do they...? where are we heading with this on )

The gov has every right to take away those bonuses...AIG would have not had any money to give bonuses without the TARP money..without it they would fail.....which is our money...it is not AIG money....we the taxpayer own 80% of AIG anyway.

Billy